Category: UFOs/Unexplained Phenomena

This article was published in New Dawn Special Issue 17 (Sept 2011)

If there’s one thing we learn from studying UFOs, there is no simple answer to what it’s all about. Most of the public – and even many Ufologists – tend to lump together all UFO incidents into a single phenomenon. But the evidence indicates there is no single explanation for all the material categorised under “UFO experience.” 

According to author and researcher John White, we are actually looking at a multilevelled phenomenon – terrestrial, extraterrestrial and metaterrestrial – and each is qualitatively different from the others. Each has its own unique forms of UFOs, and each form has to be distinguished from the others of that level. 

John White has extensive experience in the fields of consciousness research and paranormal phenomena. He has personally investigated the UFO phenomenon. 

John holds degrees from Dartmouth and Yale, and is the author of 15 books. He has lectured at educational institutions and spiritual centres throughout the United States and Canada, and before public and professional organisations.

He is a contributor to a newly compiled collection of the knowledge and insight of the world’s leading experts on modern Ufology. Exposed, Uncovered, and Declassified: UFOs & Aliens reveals startling evidence of famous sightings and contact with aliens, and uncovers classified files from archives. 

In the following interview with New Dawn magazine, John White defines ‘UFO’ and outlines three different levels of understanding this mysterious phenomenon that has both a physical and metaphysical dimension.

NEW DAWN (ND): What is the definition of UFO?

JOHN WHITE (JW): I use the one developed by the Mutual UFO Network, or MUFON, which is an international group of lay people and scientists who’ve been investigating the subject for decades. MUFON says UFOs are objects observed in the skies or on the surface of the Earth which defy conventional explanation after a thorough study and investigation by competent people.

Now, lots of sightings have been shown to be due to misperception of more familiar things such as balloons, planets, meteors, satellites, stars, advertising aircraft, falling aerospace debris, and so forth. These are IFOs or identified flying objects. The sightings which are yet to be explained are what MUFON calls daylight discs – objects with unusual lights which are simultaneously tracked visually and on radar at fantastic speeds. Also, some sightings involve objects which leave physical evidence after landing. Still other sightings involve authenticated photographs. And of course there are cases involving visitations or close encounters by humanoids or entities.

The UFO phenomenon is multilevelled and can’t be explained in a unified fashion. Little green men in spaceships with Martian license plates may be part of the puzzle, but that is only one piece of it. There is much more.

ND: Such as?

JW: In my judgment, the evidence of Ufology falls into three major categories, and so I say there are three “answers” to the UFO problem – three qualitatively different answers. Those answers – all genuine, all real – relate to what can be called different levels of reality or different aspects of our existence.

To put it simply, the levels or aspects are: terrestrial, extraterrestrial and metaterrestrial. Metaterrestrial is a term coined by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, the US astronomer-ufologist. He meant it to denote an unseen world beyond the familiar three-dimensional world we know. (He also coined the term “close encounters of the first, second and third kind.”) This three-part explanation for the UFO problem is the overview I hold. We don’t have time to go into the evidence in detail, so I’ll just sketch it in very broad strokes in order to give an outline of the overview I’ve come to hold of the UFO phenomenon.

EXTRATERRESTRIAL 

I’ll start with the most common idea of what UFOs are, namely, extraterrestrial. It’s most common simply because it’s been around longest and has gradually gained widespread acceptance.

ND: The question is whether there’s any truth to it.

JW: I think there is. In fact, judging from the Humanoid Catalog data base of more than 3,000 modern UFO sightings in which a wide variety of humanoids were present, I regard Earth as one of the major crossroads of local space. Some UFO experiences seem best understood exactly as the public does – namely, as constructed physical vehicles occupied by ETs. The case for the existence of ETs somewhere in the universe has been solidly established over the last five decades by astrobiology, quite apart from the data of Ufology. Astrobiologists are pushing SETI, or the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, by using radio telescopes to listen for signals from space. And although the scientific community, by and large, does not accept Ufology as a colleague discipline, that rejection really is illogical and unscientific. But even that is changing as astronomy discovers planets revolving around other stars than the Sun – and the list of planets is now more than 1,200.

ND: What is the evidence astrobiologists should consider?

JW: There’s the world-famous case of Barney and Betty Hill, which was reported in a 1965 book entitled The Interrupted Journey. For me, the most persuasive aspect of the case is the Hill Star Map.

ND: Tell our readers about it.

JW: While driving on a deserted road near Exeter, New Hampshire in 1961, the Hills were reportedly abducted by small, thin, gray beings with large heads who took the couple aboard a UFO. Betty was shown a hologram-like map of space with the route indicated which the beings followed from their home star to Earth. She saw the route which the aliens followed and she saw it in full 3-D, as if she were looking out a porthole into space.

In 1964, Betty and Barney underwent hypnotic therapy for symptoms which, they discovered, arose from their abduction experience. At the suggestion of their therapist, Boston psychiatrist Benjamin Simon, Betty drew a picture of the three-dimensional map she’d seen on board the craft in 1961. Her map was a flat reconstruction on paper which showed our Sun and other stars from the perspective of the aliens’ home star. When it was published in The Interrupted Journey, an Ohio school teacher named Marjorie Fish saw the picture and got the idea to use an astronomical catalogue of stars to help her build a model of space by stringing beads on a wooden framework. The beads represented stars up to 40 light-years away, accurately placed around the centre, representing Earth, in accordance with the astronomical catalogue data. It took Fish three years, working off and on, to finish her model. When she was done, she looked at it from every angle in an attempt to find the pattern of stars which matched Betty Hill’s map. But she couldn’t find a matching pattern. All her attempts at the time failed.

Then, in 1969, a new catalogue with revised astronomical data made it possible for Fish to construct a more accurate model of nearby space. It took another three years, but when she was done, she found a pattern of beads which matched the pattern in the Hill Star Map almost perfectly. The home base of the aliens appeared to be the star Zeta Reticuli, in the constellation Reticulum, about 37 light-years from Earth. Astronomers and Ufologists debated the matter and it is now settled in favour of Fish rather than being just a random matching of stars.

Now, here’s the reason this is persuasive. The Hill Star Map was drawn in 1964 yet it contained information unknown to anyone on Earth at the time. Fish had to wait until the revised astronomical catalogue was published in 1969, before human knowledge was sufficient for her to construct an accurate representation of local space. So how did Betty Hill get her knowledge of stars in space eight years before the catalogue? Logic tells us that the holographic map she claimed to see aboard a UFO was real and thus the information on which Betty Hill based her map strongly suggests that it was of extraterrestrial origin.

TERRESTRIAL 

ND: What about the second category of UFOs you mention – the terrestrial?

JW: It would be nice if all UFO cases proved to be extraterrestrial in nature, but some are best understood as originating from Earth itself. In other words, these are terrestrial.

Some UFO sightings have taken place at sea and on large bodies of water, and involve craft which observers say burst through the surface of the water and take off into the sky. The late American biologist Ivan Sanderson wrote about this in his book Invisible Residents, which gives the best description of this aspect of the UFO phenomenon. Sanderson felt these sightings might be due to the presence of an undersea civilisation native to Earth. He reasoned that since life began in the sea, when some organisms came ashore it slowed their development while sea-living organisms continued to evolve. Look at cetaceans, Sanderson said. Although porpoises, dolphins and whales are not technological, they are highly intelligent. We humans are able to weld metal under water and we can mix concrete which sets under water. So today there may be advanced forms of sea life more intelligent than humans and capable of UFO technology, living invisibly on Earth under the oceans and other large aquatic bodies. Of course, it may also be that ETs have established undersea bases.

ND: What else is in the terrestrial category?

JW: Some UFO experiences seem best understood as human contact with a lower form of animal life native to Earth’s atmosphere. The discovery of these strange aerial creatures is told in Trevor James Constable’s 1976 book The Cosmic Pulse of Life. He simply calls them “critters.” His text and photographs reveal a class of elemental fauna unknown to official science. These amoeba-like aeroforms are neither solid, liquid nor gas. The exist in the fourth state of matter – plasma – and are normally invisible for several reasons. First, their native habitat is high in the atmosphere far beyond human gaze but nevertheless well below the astronomers’ usual telescopic focus. Second, they are bioenergetically propelled and move at a very high speed – thousands of miles per hour. Last, their usual condition is in the infrared portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. However, they have the capacity to change their density and thereby pass from one level of tangibility to another. Thus, they sometimes do appear in the visible portion of the spectrum where, if seen by humans, they are quickly labelled UFOs – which, of course, they are. But they are not mechanical spacecraft; they are living creatures. They grow anywhere from the size of a coin to at least half a mile in diameter. They give a solid radar return, even though invisible to the naked eye. When they’re visible, they pulsate with a reddish-orange glow. They can change their form, but generally are seen as discs or spheroids. Their diaphanous structure allows a limited view of the interior. When Ivan Sanderson saw Constable’s photos, he said they made him feel like he was looking through a fishbowl. Some critters have been seen close up on the ground in full physical density, according to Constable’s research.

ND: Do you have other evidence for terrestrial UFOs?

JW: Still another plausible terrestrial explanation for some UFO sightings is given in the term “earth lights.” It was coined by the English researcher Paul Devereux in his 1982 book Earth Lights and amplified in his 1989 book Earth Lights Revelations. The books present evidence to show that geophysical activity in crystalline rock structures, especially along fault lines, produces a piezoelectric effect. That subsurface pressure generates electromagnetic fields above the fault lines, and in those fields, hot electrified balls of gas are formed – ionized plasmas. Those ionized plasmas are luminous atmospheric phenomena, and that is what Devereux calls earth lights.

Now, aerial luminosities have been noted throughout history around the world, but their origin has been attributed to supernatural causes and labelled as “will-o’-the-wisp,” ignis fatuus, ghost lights, and so forth. Dr. Michael Persinger, a psychologist at Laurentian University in Canada, and Gyslaine Lafrenière, a research scientist there, demonstrated in their 1977 book entitled Space-Time Transients and Unusual Events that such phenomena may have a terrestrial origin and be capable of inducing many effects in the minds of human observers, depending on their distance from the site, such as have been noted in UFO sightings and even abductions. Devereux and his colleagues’ research, independent of Persinger and Lafrenière’s, has enlarged upon the possibility that tectonically generated earth lights may account for some UFO sightings and mysterious ghostly figures.

This line of research is collectively known as the tectonic strain theory. Geophysicists have investigated this phenomenon for a long time because of reports during earthquake activity that the shaking earth was accompanied by aerial lights. The lights weren’t called UFOs, of course – just strange luminosities which sometimes appeared in association with earthquakes. In the mid-1980s, the US Geological Survey, in its journal Earthquakes and Volcanoes, published the first photo of one ever. It was snapped by someone with enough presence of mind to shoot it during an earthquake here in the US. A vaguely defined ball of light about six feet wide is clearly visible in the air.

So there you have several terrestrial-based phenomena which seem to me to explain some UFO sightings and, except for the possibility of undersea ET bases, they have absolutely nothing to do with craft from outer space. But the list of terrestrial-based explanations needs to be enlarged by one – and a very strange one, indeed. It takes us right up to the border of physical nature and passes over into the metaphysical, or more precisely, into the parapsychological. I’ll call it the psychokinetic explanation.

ND: Psychokinetic? As in mind over matter?

JW: Yes. The Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung is known for his contribution to psychology of the concept he termed “the collective unconscious.” He hypothesised that we human beings have not only a personal unconscious, which Freud demonstrated, we also have a deeper layer of mind which is somehow shared by everyone, and this aspect of our minds includes memories of human experiences from the beginnings of our race. Ancient symbols reside in our minds, such as the Wise Old Man, the Hero and the Evil One, representing the collective experience of humanity in certain basic categories. In his book Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky, Jung proposed that UFOs are symbolic projections of deep human yearnings for wholeness and transformation in the collective psyche of humanity. Without denying their physical nature – because, of course, UFOs have been photographed and tracked on radar – Jung speculated that UFOs are either our own psychic projections perceived objectively in the sky or they are the appearance of real objects which afford humans an opportunity to project mythological symbols from deep in the collective psyche. The oldest symbol of wholeness or totality is the circle. So flying saucers, Jung said – those round shining objects in the sky – require a psychological interpretation as a symbol of the human yearning for certainty and completeness in an age of rapid change and uncertainty.

Some UFOs may be the creation of our own minds. Sounds wild, doesn’t it? But there is some research supporting that. In the 1970s, Dr. Gertrude Schmeidler, a parapsychologist at City College of New York, conducted research with the well-known psychic Ingo Swann. In a completely darkened laboratory, she photographed Swann as he used mental intention and his psychokinetic power of mind over matter to envision light streaming from his outstretched arms. Guess what? The photos showed a visible glow around Swann’s hands. So if one person’s mental intention can produce a physical effect such as that, what might the collective intention and unconscious psychic ability which everyone seems to have in some degree produce?

I don’t think that’s far-fetched. In fact, one psychic I know, Stella Lansing of Massachusetts, used to get photos of UFOs which no one else ever saw in the sky. They were beautiful 35 mm colour slides of well-formed, clearly visible, apparently metallic craft. The only problem with her photos was this: in at least one instance which I examined, the image of a UFO extended from one frame across the intervening section of film onto the succeeding frame! Now, as you know, that intervening section of film is not exposed to light from outside the camera. It’s mechanically impossible to do that. There’s absolutely no way those two frames could represent an actual object in space outside the camera. So the image had to have been generated directly inside the camera by Stella’s own psychokinetic power. This psychic phenomenon is called thoughtography, and psychiatrist Jules Eisenbud, who investigated the phenomenon in a man named Ted Serios, has established the case for such mind over matter photography.

This interaction between mind and matter, between the physical brain and the metaphysical mind, and taking place at a distance, points toward the last major category of UFO phenomena which I see as yet another piece of the puzzle.

METATERRESTRIAL 

Metaterrestrial means something which originates outside the ordinary three-dimensional space-time framework in which we normally function. The word is synonymous with metaphysical, meaning “beyond the physical,” but it has a more scientific connotation to it, like hyperspace and quantum space do. Some people call that realm extradimensional, interdimensional, ultraterrestrial and supraphysical. Whatever word we use for it, this category of answer provides evidence that some UFO experiences are due to nonphysical but real entities which come not from other locations in our physical universe but from other sets of dimensions or other realms which interpenetrate our more familiar space-time.

In short, and as Dr. Jacques Vallée first pointed out in his 1968 book Passport to Magonia, many UFO incidents appear to be contemporary versions of what was recorded long ago in mythology, religious scripture and spiritual traditions as encounters with angels, demons and the various inhabitants of other planes of existence. Through a process we don’t understand, these metaterrestrial beings materialise into our space-time from other levels or other realms of reality. Those levels or realms have a wide range of beings which are native to them, just as our own level of reality has creatures ranging from viruses to whales and from algae to redwoods.

I think the best case to illustrate this is the famous miracle at Fatima, Portugal, which occurred in 1917. It’s popularly known in Roman Catholic tradition as “the day the Sun danced” and as “the day the Sun fell” because a brilliant Sun-like object came near the ground. Thousands of people witnessed it.

Some Ufologists regard the Fatima events as a display of advanced technology in which ETs are manipulating human belief systems via holographic projections. I acknowledge that possibility. But there is another tradition – namely, Eastern religion – which offers detailed information about a class of celestial beings whose characteristics are remarkably similar to what was seen at Fatima.

Moreover, some UFO contactees describe meetings with nonphysical entities who materialise into our space-time continuum from other sets of dimensions or higher planes of existence. Those nonphysical entities have been called names such as Space Brothers, extradimensionals and ultraterrestrials, and their existence is said to be on a scale enormously beyond the human, just as ours is beyond that of insects, which in turn are similarly beyond microbes. From the metaterrestrial level of reality, it is said, these higher forms of life influence and even guide human affairs.

The most common name for them is deva, a Sanskrit word which means “shining one” or “radiant being.” It is the conceptual equivalent of what we moderns call an angel. More generally, it means a being of light. Devas are said to belong to another kingdom of life. They are a separately created, very high order of existence which has the role of supervising lower orders. Devas exist in a nonphysical but ontologically real form magnitudes of cosmological order beyond the human level. Considered abstractly in scientifically oriented terms, devas can be described as conscious, formative principles which guide and regulate life forms below them in the ladder of creation or the great chain of being, irrespective of space-time coordinates.

Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhism are especially rich in information about devas. Some signs which announce the presence of these normally unseen entities are the sudden appearance of rainbows and perfume, multicoloured flower blossoms falling from the air, sudden high winds, various celestial phenomena such as shooting stars and lights in the sky, and multicoloured clouds forming themselves into unusual shapes. That sounds a lot like the Fatima UFO to me.

ND: Please sum up what you’ve told our readers.

JW: The UFO phenomenon appears to be multifaceted and there is no neat, simple answer to what it’s all about. In my judgment, the public and even many Ufologists are indiscriminately lumping together UFO sightings and incidents into a single phenomenon. But the evidence indicates that no single explanation can cover all the experiences and events brought together under the label “UFO experience.” It is a multilevelled phenomenon. And each level – terrestrial, extraterrestrial and metaterrestrial – is qualitatively different from the others. Each has its own unique forms of UFOs, and each form has to be distinguished from the others of that level.

Our understanding of the UFO phenomenon can be compared to our evolving understanding of the atom. In ancient Greece, the atom was regarded as the ultimate unit of matter. However, the rise of science demonstrated that the atom was not “rock-bottom reality.” Rather it was composed of protons, electrons and neutrons. Thus, a new level of reality emerged – the subatomic. Continuing scientific research discovered a host of new particles, such as neutrinos, quarks, mesons, bosons, and other exotic forms of matter below that of the atom. Most recently, science has discovered a still more basic or fundamental aspect of reality, the quantum level. Our present understanding regards it as the level from which all the particles and the four fundamental forces – gravity, electromagnetism and the weak and strong nuclear forces – arise.

The UFO experience can be regarded in a somewhat similar manner. There is no single “unit” of the UFO experience. There are different phenomena, outwardly appearing to be the same thing, but actually qualitatively distinct from one another. And they can be classified not only in the horizontal dimension as discrete phenomena, they also can classified vertically as belonging to one or another level of reality.

Only when we understand the UFO phenomenon as multilevelled and multifaceted will we move to a deeper understanding of this intriguing and mysterious topic, and begin to solve the puzzle called the UFO experience.

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The following interview with Mary Rodwell appeared in New Dawn 97. Mary has contributed an article to New Dawn Special Issue Vol 11 No 2 in which she provides information on recent cases and breakthroughs in the area of alien abduction and the Star Kids.

Mary Rodwell, is the Principal of ACERN (Australian Close Encounter Resource Network). She is a counselor, hypnotherapist, metaphysician, former nurse and midwife. Mary has lectured in the USA, UK and Australia. She is the author of Awakening: How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life (2002) and the producer of the EBE award winning documentaries Expressions of ET Contact: A Visual Blueprint? (2000) and Expressions of ET Contact: A Communication and Healing Blueprint? (2004).

ACERN is a professional counseling resource that explores all anomalous experiences as well as speaking to professional traditional agencies about contact reality. Mary’s research explores both the physical and metaphysical implications of contact. This research has demonstrated that for most individuals contact can be a transformative/spiritual experience, where individuals, such as those termed Star Children, become more aware of their multi-dimensional nature.

The interviewer, Tony Mierzwicki is the author of Graeco-Egyptian Magick: Everyday Empowerment and Alien Magick: Exploring the UFO Phenomenon as well as numerous magazine articles and anthology contributions.

Tony Mierzwicki: How real are UFOs? There have been many deliberate frauds over the years that act as a smokescreen over something apparently real. UFOs provide a very easy field to sow with disinformation, as they’re very much on the fringes and inspire numerous B-grade sci-fi movies.

Mary Rodwell: Thomas Kuhn author of The Structure of Scientific Revolutions advises to observe, drop all your preconceived categories as best you can, and just collect raw information. He is correct I believe, because this is the only way we will be open to what we don’t know. Of course, open-mindedness does not equate to gullibility. No-one can be truly objective of course, but the less personal “limits” we have in collating the data the more chance we have of getting at the truth.

Fraudulent information occurs in most subjects we explore, although UFO material has more than its fair share. With all of it I believe it’s about “listening” to our own personal resonance to “truth.”

I believe that there has been a deliberate attempt to instill fear of the ET reality and what it may mean. So that ET means an “invasion” kind of message and we are all going to be exterminated or taken over. What people don’t understand, because they are given an edited version of our history, is that we have been visited for thousands of years and that our DNA has been tampered with many times already by “them.” If they wanted to exterminate or take us over, they have the technology to do it in a nanosecond. So why haven’t they done this? Because they have no desire to, and because we are part of “them,” and their program to help in our evolution.

We attack their spaceships and they don’t retaliate. It’s we who are the aggressors.

As an example of the reality of UFOs, Dr Stephen Greer’s Disclosure DVD put out by the CSETI organisation, has a testimony from a high ranking military man who said a missile which had been sent into space was circled by a UFO and then exploded with an energy beam. The whole event was videotaped, but witnesses were instructed to say that they saw nothing. The DVD has two hours of interviews with high ranking military personnel, pilots, etc who have seen UFOs visually and through radar, crashed craft and the beings themselves. They admit to the cover up and many corroborate each other’s statements.

Tony: Your research appears to indicate that many alien encounters are positive and of a beneficial nature. While this is certainly the case in some reference material I have perused, there are numerous researchers who believe that abductions are very traumatic to the “experiencers.” How would you resolve such a contradiction?

Mary: I think a contradiction is only present if you see this as either or. I think it’s hard to say there is any black and white to this question. The contact phenomenon is extremely complex and no one person/researcher, no matter how well informed, has the mandate on this. All I can do is report what I have found with my clients and honour their understanding and experience. But I have found though that often what they have believed was a negative experience has not always proved to be so when we have explored it more deeply via hypnosis.

I like to quote from Albert Einstein in my presentations, “Whoever sets himself up as judge in the field of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.” I am afraid that many researchers find it hard to have a neutral perspective, as ultimately they will try and head their research to the hypothesis that suits their own judgements. I try to keep to the data I receive and it has often surprised me. I have learnt that the truth is often multifaceted in nature, not so black and white as we would like it to be. I look for patterns.

If the hypnotherapists are only covering the barest outline of the experience, time/date, how many beings were present, and what procedures were being done, then the individual may be very fearful because they do not know what was happening or why such things were being done to them. Hence, this would impart negativity to the experience.

In limited exploration, the individual is re-exposed to the trauma without the understanding that should come with this. It is only when the individual understands more fully what’s going on, that they can then come to terms with it and integrate it. Consider for example a three year old boy taken to the doctor for an injection. You tell him that the doctor will make him better, but he just experiences pain. It’s only when he is older that he finally understands what went on.

I ask the client to dialogue with “them,” i.e. the ET’s, and ask “them” what, and why, the procedure was being performed. The answers would amaze you.

Tony: So your clients can dialogue retrospectively? This is very interesting if true, as it would tie in with quantum theory’s ideas of the non-linearity of time.

Mary: For sure. I was very surprised when my first client was able to do this, as it seemed that the information came from either a “deep inner awareness,” or as you say a way of tapping into quantum. I am still trying to unravel how this may happen in terms of science. All I know is that they seem to tap into answers for their questions when working in the altered state, whether this comes from a higher consciousness which some call the higher self, or the ET beings have left the information to be tapped into when needed.

For me the most important thing is that it is always profound and helpful to the individual, in that their psyche or higher senses translate this information in a way that makes sense to them.

I believe that linear time is a human construct, and many “experiencers” say the same thing. For example, Tracey Taylor states, “Time for them is irrelevant in the linear format that the average human understands.” I certainly believe that we bypass the linear format of time when in an altered state, and that is possibly why the individual can access dialogue with the beings even though I have regressed them to what is perceived as a future event.

Tony: This is confusing. You say that abductions are often for the experiencer’s benefit? But what about all the cases of rape, endoscopes, and taking scoops of human tissue?

Mary: Certainly some ET procedures are for the collection of genetic material, and for scanning/examining tissue for planetary pollution held in the human tissues etc. We have polluted our planet and everything we eat or drink carries with it the poisons from our environment into our physical body. These cumulative toxins are picked up and analysed by our ET visitors. Experiencers are told this.

To quote Tracey Taylor again, “As far as my Contact experiences, I became very compassionate towards the ET beings, as there is so much humans can learn and benefit from interacting with them. I was ‘fearful’ of my experiences only when I didn’t know what was happening and why. But there has always been an equal exchange. I helped them achieve their genetic goals and in return I received my healing and psychic ability, plus my understanding of Earth has been enhanced. Basically at the start I misunderstood the ‘grays’. The knowing ET part of me initially made a decision to assist them and the understanding of this can be overshadowed with the fear which stems from our limited human perceptions and reactions to these experiences.”

I believe many of the ET races have a very strong interest in us as a species and our evolution and they are part of it as we share a genetic heritage with them. I have found that with different species of ETs, the more strange or confronting looking ones are not necessarily evil or negative. This includes the reptilians/lizard ones for example, because some people have experienced very loving exchanges with them.

Tony: But what about the rape issue? Would anyone consent in advance to rape?

Mary: I believe this is a complex issue that depends on what level you choose to understand it. From soul level, before birth we choose our challenges and experiences for our coming life. (I have come to believe this through regressing people into past lives.) This includes all our experiences, obviously traumatic and otherwise. The soul through this gains greater understanding. So although through life we may perceive some experiences like this as hurtful or negative, it’s through such a process we have the opportunity to understand ourselves better. This is true for all experience. So on this level you may well consent to this experience (i.e. rape) if it offered you insights you would not gain otherwise.

As I said, from soul level I believe we are co-creators of our reality, and that life is a school for growth and understanding. Some may well choose the ET experience as a way of helping them to grow.

But for those who cannot go to a “bigger picture” with their experience, I will help them work through the trauma to a more healing perspective.

When I have hypnotically taken an individual to the death sequence and they pass over, they speak about their lessons and learning from that life. And when contemplating a new life they take this into consideration.

Michael Newton in his books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls discusses soul groups and how they choose to interact with each other for learning, even to being the perpetrator in one life to the victim in another, as a growth exercise. Newton was initially skeptical about the material he collated. He has regressed hundreds of people to their “in between lives” state as souls, and they describe what happens to them as souls. The fact is despite what belief system they have, they all come up with strikingly similar material.

Tony: What about endoscope examinations?

Mary: Endoscopes are used as a medical exam just as in human hospitals. So this information changes what people feel about the experience. It seems to make a lot of sense to them.

Tony: I suppose it depends on how painful the whole thing is. People tend to not mind painless tests.

Mary: I agree but maybe on some level they want the memory of the pain to be a reminder that this is a reality so that it’s not dismissed. It could be another way of waking people up.

Tony: That’s very gnostic. One of the central teachings of the gnostics was that humanity is asleep and needs to be awakened so that their return to the transmundane deity might commence. Gnostic myths would often include some sort of saviour figure to awaken sleepers.

Mary: Yes. I believe this experience acts like a “trigger” to an awakening of consciousness. I think the “saviour” is our self. People realise this when they are ready to take on that truth.

Kenneth Ring in his book Beyond Omega states that the UFO phenomenon is a evolutionary shamanic experience to “wake us up.”

There is some evidence (see Dr Stephen Greer’s Disclosure Project) that some of the more negative interactions are not necessarily of ET origin, but a human manipulated ET experience to give us a negative view of ETs.

This is one of the hidden human agendas concerning a cabal to discredit the whole ET phenomenon and lead us into fear of them so that we will accept the “Star Wars” program. It’s a very complex phenomenon. Whether we like this or not, it’s part of the human/ET phenomenon and the cover up.

There is no doubt some individuals have experienced trauma from their encounters. But in my research, perhaps as many as 60-70 %, have the more positive encounter experiences. And even with those who are traumatised, often when they understand their encounter experiences they can change their mind into a positive framework. They discover a consentient, even pre-life, agreement to the encounters and the gain of greater awareness that follows such interaction, which often negates their previous fears. They may discover they have had a healing on the craft or that they are being “taught things,” and that the experience is for their ultimate growth and awakening.

Tony: I’ve heard of pre-life agreements in New Age circles, but have never heard of them applied to abduction scenarios.

Mary: This is because many Ufological researchers, just don’t go there or ask such questions. Their focus is information to fit their third dimensional and scientific research. They are not therapists and do not have this person-centred focus. My mandate has always been to help the individual make sense of their “journey” first. Research comes second to that.

I help clients to trust and honour the wisdom of the super-conscious self and what it reveals to them for their personal growth and understanding. In regression I ask if on any level the individual has “consented” to such an experience and it’s fascinating to discover that often they have consented, as I said often it’s a pre-birth agreement. This is a most important question for their personal growth as you must realise it takes them from “victimhood” to being aware of their own multidimensional life/soul journey. I ask my clients to go with their personal feelings rather than what others tell them, and to trust that inner resonance.

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Tony: Skeptics believe that the whole abduction phenomenon can be explained through a combination of sleep paralysis and hallucination, with hypnotists implanting false memories by imposing their belief system on experiencers.

Mary: Yes, I know about the false memory syndrome and obviously one has to be careful with the technique and not lead the client. But having said that I have tried an exercise where I have deliberately tried to lead the client, but they would have none of it and corrected me. So I don’t think it’s as easy to mislead or implant as it’s made out to be.

There are many misconceptions related to hypnosis. For many, the alpha state is no more trance-like than watching an absorbing program on TV. It is firmly believed too, that no hypnotist can get any individual to act against his or her will.

In truth, I ask the client what they see, I don’t tell them what to see. This process helps them to re-visit the experience. Often both I and the client have been amazed at the information that we have obtained.

Dr. John Mack (former Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard University) said he believed that information gained by hypnosis was even more accurate than conscious memory as the conscious memory can edit out what it doesn’t want to acknowledge. I agree with him.

Tony: Skeptics will criticise anything received in an altered state, claiming it to be dream-like.

Mary: Skeptics can say what they like, and why does “dream like” make the data incorrect? Many of them haven’t worked in this field and so it’s like a soldier telling a surgeon how to operate! All I know is the material makes sense to the individual and often I have other individuals who will confirm this data in their altered state. As I said before, I look for patterns of data.

None of the hypotheses of skeptics explain:

• metallic implants in the body (for example those removed by surgeon Dr. Roger Leir in The Aliens and the Scalpel);
• marks on the body that fluoresce under ultraviolet light;
• 18 month old children who remember being taken, who are clearly not Star Trek fanatics or having sleep paralysis;
• many people “taken” are not asleep, as it can happen in broad daylight when driving a car;
• “missing time” episodes;
• whole families are sometimes involved.

There is a story of one 18 month old child going to a bookcase, taking out a book on Alien Abductions, and telling her mum “this is the man who comes and gets me.” At eighteen months of age, they don’t listen to talk shows! The kid’s testimony is profound. I speak about this more during my presentations and in my book in the chapter on Star Kids.

Regarding missing time, some people may feel disorientated and be aware on some level something happened but that’s all. It’s fascinating and many times through regression you find out what happened to them. Sometimes they find themselves in the same spot and sometimes many kilometres away. Some of these people have flashbacks to the events which can happen when “buttons” are pressed in everyday life such as being in a lift, or faced with an injection, or at the dentist’s. These traumas can take them back to the images of an alien craft (there is a detailed questionnaire in my book). Phobias such as arachnophobia or agoraphobia can sometimes be related to this experience. Hypnosis is the most useful tool, although many do have conscious memories on the craft.

Tony: I have come across multiple references to Dr. Leir’s book. It’s funny that some people say there are implants whereas the skeptics say there are none.

Mary: Exactly, they haven’t done their research. Leir’s work is fully documented. I actually know Roger very well and had him come over from the USA to speak at Perth’s first Hidden Truths conference two years ago.

Tony: Once you have physical implants, then all the psychological theories go out the window – to explain all cases that is. You then have to admit the reality of the abduction phenomenon for at least some people.

Mary: Exactly, that’s it. But it’s amazing how even this fails to convince some people. It’s because of fear! Fear of change, and of having to re-appraise reality perspectives. But all experiencers have to do that to survive.

Tony: Have you been abducted? Is this perhaps what got you onto your path of helping others?

Mary: This is a question I have been asked many times. The truth is I have not been “consciously” aware of being taken. I do not have the classic indicators but that does not mean I have not. Some individuals I know have told me they have seen me on an alien craft and two of my children certainly have “indicators,” so it’s more than possible. I do know that I have absolutely no fear of “them” or this phenomenon at all.

Tony: The thing that strikes me about the whole UFO abduction phenomenon is that so much of it is dream-like.

Mary: I believe that ETs use this altered dream-like state to access people. If they were fully conscious they may well resist and many say that the “grays” particularly are very physically vulnerable. But those who have the experience say it’s not like a normal dream, and so they know the difference.

Tony: Much has been written about alien breeding programmes aimed at producing a hybrid race. The “Star Kids” are supposed to be one result of these programmes.

Mary: Certainly I believe many ET races are interested in our genetic make up because many of them have been involved in it right from the beginning. See Zecharia Sitchin’s work The Earth Chronicles.

We have a reptilian part to our brain, and so many believe they have a genetic mix with the reptilian/lizard species of ETs.

Many experiencers who have interacted with ETs say they have felt love and emotion from some of them. I believe we have reached a critical time in our evolution and the sense is that if we don’t get it right we could destroy ourselves before we become part of the galactic community. I don’t fear that “they” will wipe us out, but that we will do it to ourselves. We have so much growing up to do, I just hope we get it before it’s too late.

When I talk at conferences I find people very interested in the New Human Star Child hypothesis. The main interest is from older individuals who are seeing that the children being born now are different, so it fits with their experience.

The Star Kids are aware that they are a mix of human and ET genes. They are here to help mankind to make an evolutionary leap though “interaction” with them. They are bringing the frequencies for this to happen. Many of these Star Kids know their mission, although they find it difficult being in the density of their physical body.

Dr. Leir believes that changes in humans with respect to higher psychological functioning (i.e. walking, talking, etc) from 40 years ago are accelerated up to 60-80%, and this is occurring from birth. He believes that this is due to alien intervention in our body and minds (not better pre-natal care or exposure to complex machinery). Logically the pollutants in our atmosphere and food would see a diminishing of this, but it seems despite these handicaps we are still evolving.

We are all seeking, at some level, a raising of consciousness, we are all helping each other until we all get there (i.e. the hundredth monkey syndrome). I believe the Star Kids are here to help on that consciousness level.

My DVDs feature scripts, languages and artwork produced by Star Kids, as they act as a conduit for it. This material is of a holographic multidimensional nature and many people feel different after viewing it.

Mary Rodwell is a contributor to New Dawn Special Issue Vol 11 No 2 which examines theories about alien interference in human affairs and the UFO mystery. Click here for more information and to purchase your copy.

Mary’s new book The New Human: Awakening to Our Cosmic Heritage is available from Amazon.com.

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MARY RODWELL is founder and principal of the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network (ACERN). She is also a co-founder and director of The Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research Into Extraterrestrial Encounters (FREE). Former nurse, midwife, counsellor, hypnotherapist, Reiki Master, international speaker, researcher, Mary Rodwell is author of the book Awakening: How Extraterrestrial Contact can Transform Your Life (2002) and The New Human: Awakening to Our Cosmic Heritage (2016). Mary’s research has involved over 3,000 cases of Encounters with Non Human Intelligences (NHI), research qualified by the in-depth surveys conducted by FREE. For further information, visit www.acern.com.au; www.maryrodwell.com.au; www.Experiencer.org. Email: starline@iinet.net.au.

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